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Post by Joey on Feb 20, 2011 20:07:34 GMT
Richie, here's how I see it......................
If we initially invite 10 clubs to form an alliance and 4 or 5 say no then generally you'll find that a fair few of the others will eventually follow suit and everything falls on it's arse.
If however you have 2 or 3 clubs who actually want to be a part of it and it works out well then other clubs begin to wonder what they're missing out on and want to become a part of it, it's both risk aversion and human nature. People don't want to commit to something that might go wrong and make them look silly but are more than eager to commit to something that seems to be already working.
I would say start small, get things rolling then invite others once we have the correct formula in place.
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Post by Dai on Feb 21, 2011 20:17:30 GMT
IMO
I think the Alliance should ask every club within our footprint to join. Invite infers selection.
The Alliance needs to be an informative body and website that is easy to join easy to use and a take it or leave it stance. Needs to be a site worth looking at where we can all see what each are upto so we can support
one another.
Stay clear of committees, No1s Top Clubs or any other rank or pecking order systems. To get it to grow we need organisers and f*g packets for he first year, see how it goes.
Dai
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Post by Joey on Feb 21, 2011 20:38:06 GMT
Dai, all of this needs to be discussed at a later stage but as has already been mentioned an Alliance has been tried on several occasions before with interest dropping off quite quickly and it not coming to fruition.
Perhaps, by my own admission, "invite" is the wrong terminology, but I still think it better to inform other clubs that an Alliance exists of a few clubs that actually want it to work, than to suffer the initial bumfight that would inevitably occur were many clubs to sit around a table and discuss the formation of an Alliance.
If you build it they will come, if, however, you decide to carry out an initial consultation phase then you will still be trying to set the bloody thing up 12 months down the line..............
Just my thoughts.
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Post by Dai on Feb 21, 2011 23:24:35 GMT
Select a central venue and ask the clubs to send an envoy to agree the concept, it can't hurt.
We are not asking them to be 100% dedicated and loyal to it but to breathe it through there members to have an alliance they can also support for the occassional mass ride outs.
As you rightly say it will take a bit of time to be time to gel but gel it will, theres alot of good clubs and guys out there.
bop bop
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Post by Joey on Feb 21, 2011 23:31:25 GMT
Dai why are you posting as a guest? I thought you would have registered kid?
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Post by taggart on Feb 22, 2011 16:17:06 GMT
Joey , forgive my ignorance...how do I put a pic up? theres a picture on the nomads site which for me says it all regarding the need for some form of alliance in the area...it s the map of GB (national scooter rallies) and nothing going on in our area!!
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Post by Joey on Feb 22, 2011 17:12:18 GMT
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Post by taggart on Feb 22, 2011 18:10:21 GMT
Thats the mate ....
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Post by rich on Feb 23, 2011 16:29:23 GMT
Select a central venue and ask the clubs to send an envoy to agree the concept, it can't hurt. We are not asking them to be 100% dedicated and loyal to it but to breathe it through there members to have an alliance they can also support for the occasional mass ride outs. As you rightly say it will take a bit of time to be time to gel but gel it will, theres alot of good clubs and guys out there. I tend to agree with Dai on this, but Joey I can see where your coming from. It would be no good, just say for Bolloxspeed and the Northern Aces to start up this alliance as there isn't sufficient numbers to make an affect. If other clubs within the area are not invited they may think that those starting this alliance are elitist and MAY not join. IMO I think we should invite all clubs and bang out some ideas |
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Post by Joey on Feb 23, 2011 20:01:38 GMT
I tend to agree with Dai on this, but Joey I can see where your coming from. It would be no good, just say for Bolloxspeed and the Northern Aces to start up this alliance as there isn't sufficient numbers to make an affect.If other clubs within the area are not invited they may think that those starting this alliance are elitist and MAY not join. IMO I think we should invite all clubs and bang out some ideas Who suggested that as an option??? |
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Post by Dai on Feb 23, 2011 21:17:53 GMT
Is it not about individuals joining as opposed to clubs? We need individual riders, solos club members etc to join first. Clubs can advertise themselves but without members were buggered.
May i suggest that we approach he club leaders and ask them if it is OK to advertise the alliance on there websites so that there members can sign up if they wish.
I like the picture of the map; it really does say it all.
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Post by Joey on Feb 23, 2011 23:47:51 GMT
To join what though Dai? Surely it needs to be in existence so that people have something to join in the first place?
At the moment we have;
Bolloxspeed
Nomads (dependant upon outcome of AGM.)
Northern Aces (dependant upon tonights meeting.)
So at the moment there is nothing to join.
It was never my intention to infer that only selected clubs/solo members should be "selected" to join, but I still hold that it has to be started in the first place and then we can actually advertise the "fact" that an Alliance is in already in place that people can join as opposed to just an "intention" to create one.
As has already been stated we've tried to do this before, Richie invited several clubs to an "intention to create" meeting, some were in favour, some weren't, and some that were in favour eventually changed their minds so it never happened.
If on the other hand people had been invited (not selected,) to a meeting to join an Alliance that was already up and running (albeit of only a small handful of clubs,) and was working well then things may very well have been different, who knows? All we can state as fact is that it never happened.
At the end of the day if only two clubs decide that it's in their best interest to work together then that is an Alliance, simples.
I still think the best way to go is to already have a plan in place rather than to gather 20 old cantankerous buggers to discuss the creation of said plan?
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Post by coaty on Feb 24, 2011 0:51:38 GMT
I still think the best way to go is to already have a plan in place rather than to gather 20 old cantankerous buggers to discuss the creation of said plan? Whats with the 20 old cantankerous buggers??? I'll have you know that most of us are kind young gentlemen on this North Wales & Border scooter scene, so take it you must be referring to your own club members....lol    ;D |
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Post by Joey on Feb 24, 2011 1:27:59 GMT
Coaty?   Look, let's just wait and see what happens.............. All I want from this is for as many clubs as possible to start working together, supporting each other and promoting our scene with the ultimate aim being a seat at the No1's meeting at Brid. To be honest I don't really give a f**k how we get there, start small, start big who cares as long as we don't f**k it up! Let's put it this way, and on this I'm sure no one would disagree, between those that have already shown an interest in an Alliance, Bolloxspeed, Nomads and Northern Aces I am 100% certain that we could host an event that would attract 5 to 600 scooterists, possibly even more, that would attract more members, whether solo or club, to an Alliance. Once you can guarantee 1000+ on a rally you can, should you wish, apply for National status........... now wouldn't that be something. |
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Post by taggart on Feb 24, 2011 16:00:01 GMT
Coaty? Look, let's just wait and see what happens.............. All I want from this is for as many clubs as possible to start working together, supporting each other and promoting our scene with the ultimate aim being a seat at the No1's meeting at Brid. To be honest I don't really give a f**k how we get there, start small, start big who cares as long as we don't f**k it up! Let's put it this way, and on this I'm sure no one would disagree, between those that have already shown an interest in an Alliance, Bolloxspeed, Nomads and Northern Aces I am 100% certain that we could host an event that would attract 5 to 600 scooterists, possibly even more, that would attract more members, whether solo or club, to an Alliance. Once you can guarantee 1000+ on a rally you can, should you wish, apply for National status........... now wouldn't that be something. well said Young Joey ... |
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