dean
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Post by dean on Feb 25, 2011 1:51:07 GMT
lets see if this takes off first like stated before how many times has it been tried only time will tell on this matter
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Post by dai on Feb 25, 2011 20:02:08 GMT
Not you Dean,
But...
If you (the Alliance attempters) have tried it on a number of occassions before and it hasn't worked then you have to change the dynamics and parameteters?
For example; the Lancashire Alliance's success was based on individuals joining the alliance as individuals, giving individual club members the opportunity to join as a second club as such?
It advertises what other clubs are doing so that scooterists be it solo, individual or a club member of X Club have sight and vision of what was going on accross the Footprint.
It becomes a central focus for scooterists accross the area. At NWBA Rideouts which are forecasted outside of club events can be attended by club riders and hopefully they will brig along a pal or a couple or a few or come as a club.
Don't push, wait, advertise, don't be disappointed, do it for who ever turns up, from shoots............
bop bop bop'
PS where are we RV'ing for the St Davids day rde on Sunday? Petrolheads?
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Post by rich on Feb 26, 2011 0:11:06 GMT
It was the Northern Aces idea to start an alliance approx 6-7 years ago. I phoned the No 1's at the time of Wrexham SC, North Wales Nomads SC, Chester SC, North Shropshire SC, Chosen Few SC to see if they were interested, they all were.
A meeting took place at Wrexham SC involving the above clubs except Chester SC as they decided against it for some reason.
Anyhow the criteria was mainly to host a weekender at this point and not for the ride-outs. Llandudno was chosen to host a weekender, just the venue needed to be sorted out. The Nomads envoy said he knew someone high up in Llandudno council who may let a ride-out around the Great Orme for free.
In the process of finding a suitable venue, North Shropshire informed me that there were stepping out of the alliance and showing more allegiance to the Shropshire clubs of Shrewsbury, Telford etc. This then had a domino effect and one by one the other clubs dropped out.
Maybe we were trying to set too big a goal to begin with and it all fell through.
The Lancashire alliance ride-outs and events were taking off big time around this time. The ride-outs were being held near our region and one and all seemed to relish these instead. Wrexham SC and Cloud 9 had their events included to the Lancs alliance events.
Approx 2-3 years ago the alliance was mentioned again and Joey set up a website to spur everyone, not just clubs in the area to join. I don't think there was a criteria on what to do but only a couple of handfuls joined the site.
Wrexham SC were content in putting on their Llangollen ride-out, Northern Aces SC with their weekenders, Nomads SC with into the valley ride-out to give any thought about an alliance, so it goes.
Now the alliance has reared it's head again, will it take off?
I agree it's not just clubs that should be interested but individuals also. Now how does it all start up?
Joey has said this already, by only a couple of clubs getting together and go on a rideout starting from A to B others will follow suit.
Gillie has contacted Joey and myself today about possible ride out dates in 3 to 4 weeks time. In 3 weeks I doubt it, as Martin Mere is on. Sunday March 27th or Sunday 3 April looks ok on the scootering calender. Gingers however is on 9th April.
So we could have two early dates for a ride out that 3 clubs know about.
Now where from and where to should this rideout take place? Is it only going to be the 3 clubs to start? or do we invite all other clubs?
I think we should invite one and all and this is why a meeting should be organised for 20 or so cantankerous old fools to share their ideas and maybe rideout dates, apart from the one mentioned.
Its no use us saying this and that, let's organise something soon or it will end up like a storm in a teacup once more
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Post by coaty on Feb 26, 2011 0:21:40 GMT
If you (the Alliance attempters) have tried it on a number of occassions before and it hasn't worked then you have to change the dynamics and parameteters? For example; the Lancashire Alliance's success was based on individuals joining the alliance as individuals, giving individual club members the opportunity to join as a second club as such? It advertises what other clubs are doing so that scooterists be it solo, individual or a club member of X Club have sight and vision of what was going on accross the Footprint. It becomes a central focus for scooterists accross the area. At NWBA Rideouts which are forecasted outside of club events can be attended by club riders and hopefully they will brig along a pal or a couple or a few or come as a club. Don't push, wait, advertise, don't be disappointed, do it for who ever turns up, from shoots............ I've stayed mainly in the background on this forum but think it's time I give an opinion. With regards to this being done & failed a couple of times before I can only speak with regards to the last occasion. The last time it was tried from my own point of view we didn't really promote the concept around enough, TRUTHFULLY I think we were keen on the Idea but didn't put our heart & soul it to selling it. Regards to Lancashire Alliance it makes sense to use the way started due to there success. Advertising & focus makes perfect sense to have one central location to advertise events, this would greatly help with avoiding events clashing. Therefore hopefully maximizing turnouts to those events because at the end of the day these are more often than not to raise penny's for charities. Totally agree advertise don't be disappointed if only a few people show up (yes it's always nice to have your event full to the rafters take the rough with smooth) put on the event to ENJOY & raise lots of penny's for your charity, on the plus side there's always next time & ques for the bar won't be long. Don't push, wait & advertise WISE words Dai....they don't call me toe nails for nothing....lol "If you build it they will come"(Field of Dreams) I'll go quietly back into the background......
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dean
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Post by dean on Feb 26, 2011 10:06:27 GMT
it sounds like were back to will it wont it work aspect on this matter lets just walk before we can run and see what the future holds as with everythink start small to work big this alliance will work if eveyone pulls the same way it should,nt matter at the moment if its a club joining or billy no mates what does count is bums on seats and makeing the effort to support this so lets get the ball rolling and sort it out.
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Post by rich on Feb 26, 2011 14:23:08 GMT
it sounds like were back to will it wont it work aspect on this matter lets just walk before we can run and see what the future holds as with everythink start small to work big this alliance will work if eveyone pulls the same way it should,nt matter at the moment if its a club joining or billy no mates what does count is bums on seats and makeing the effort to support this so lets get the ball rolling and sort it out. What do you propose then Dean to get the ball rolling?
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Post by tim on Feb 26, 2011 16:10:35 GMT
I would say its rolling. Certainly more feedback than the last time this forum was up and running. Some of you probably know this but the idea was put to 30+ Nomad members on Thursday and the general feeling was positive. Absolutely no negative feedback at all.
May be time to invite a few local club representatives to a meeting? Not excluding individuals but probably too many to invite initially.
Tim
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Post by Joey on Feb 26, 2011 16:17:27 GMT
We'll have plenty of time tonight to bat a few ideas about.........
but to start the ball rolling I suggest that we up the tempo on FB and bomb as many club sites as possible but saying that the Alliance is already in place.......... tonight can act as the official formation once we've all had a chat??
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tim
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Post by tim on Feb 26, 2011 16:20:46 GMT
no probs..se you later
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Post by gillie1 on Feb 26, 2011 17:18:37 GMT
I will be there later too, but for now ill throw in a few thoughts, The Alliance is a banner to link all the clubs to and should be an information network that all members or clubs in theory use to support each other in their efforts to make a scene we can all enjoy with more numbers and better events for example.
As we already hold the Into the Valley and Northern Aces are now proposing the “2 Heads Run” All that will happen for now is that they come under the banner of the alliance So would be advertised as
North Wales Alliance and borders Ride Out; Into The Valley Hosted by Nomads SC North Wales and Borders Alliance Ride Out ; 2 heads Ride out hosted by Northern aces North Wales and Borders Alliance Ride Out; ----------------- Hosted by Bolloxspeed And so on once more are added,
It will seem a bit weird for some of us who have been holding these events before the Alliance was formed to give over the title as such of our own event but this is how it will need to be if we are to grow together and also pick up all the solo and non-affiliated riders too, also this year will be the hardest as most of the people involved have already put a calendar together but for next year we can get together and try to make it fit so we all get good dates and structure the year so we can best support all interested parties
Ive been speaking to Keith who runs the Lancashire Scooter Alliance and got a lot of really good advice on how they run their set up , he also told me what did and didn’t work for them , I think if we have a quick chat tonight to put a few ideas together that’s great but if we are then in agreement, we should have 1 representative for each group or club and have a meeting between them in the near future
See you later and thanks for reading Gillie
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Post by Joey on Feb 26, 2011 17:34:07 GMT
Oi Bollox........ North Wales & BORDERS Alliance!
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Post by gillie1 on Feb 26, 2011 18:15:21 GMT
done and i dance when im sober too
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Post by Joey on Feb 26, 2011 18:38:22 GMT
Isn't Google translator a wonderful thing
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Post by gillie1 on Feb 26, 2011 23:05:22 GMT
joey can yo PM me your tel number so me you and rich can have a conversation about the run
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Post by barrowboy65 on Mar 23, 2011 19:25:40 GMT
Some good ideas knocking around in this thread so if I may just offer my humble opinion? I don't actually have any new ideas of my own but would like to comment on the ones I've read about in here and in the Nomads forum.........
Firstly, as regards setting up an alliance...... well it seems to me that its already been done as we already have this website and a logo too provided by Joey and Bolloxspeed. If individuals are welcome to join (as Dai suggests) then surely thats all we need. Clubs already in the alliance area can be approached to ask if they will allow their established events (ITV for example) to be advertised as Alliance Events with the due credit being paid to the host club as Gillie has suggested.
As already mentioned by coaty, the Lancashire Alliance model is obviously the one to follow. If individual members of clubs already in the alliance area do not wish to join then that is their prerogative, no-one is being press-ganged. The potential for new rideouts and a bit of charity funding is out there.
We already have one fairly well established event in ITV which it would appear the Nomads Collective have already kindly agreed to allow the NW/Borders Alliance to use as an Alliance event. If the Northern Aces get their 'Two Heads' project off the ground then maybe they will do the same? Perhaps Bolloxspeed could do the same too with maybe a ride in their area? Then that would be three events under the new Alliance banner straight away. ITV is already well supported by the Lancashire Alliance and a good few of them came to the Anglesey Rally last year which (I think) was held under the Nomads banner and hosted by the Ynys Monsters of Anglesey.
Would be great to have a big weekender ( Northern Ace's, Anglesey or maybe even Rhyl?) under the Alliance banner too and then we would have a similar (if smaller) scene to the Lancashire Alliance as in regular established rideouts organised by clubs in our area and a couple of rally-type weekend events. Of course all this needs to be agreed and ratified by the various clubs collectives and committees in the area. If the North Shropshire and Wrexham clubs don't want a part of it then we have to respect that and leave them be but wouldn't it be great if they approached the North Wales & Border Alliance some time in the future and asked to be a part of it?
Seems to me that we have a lot of experienced and well connected scooterists in this area with mutual respect and contacts within the national scene so these people (and you know who you are) just need to get together and talk, plan, then execute. Simples lol
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